{"id":8679,"date":"2023-12-08T21:09:48","date_gmt":"2023-12-08T21:09:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/johns-cop28-diary-fixing-climate-finance-the-abate-debate\/"},"modified":"2025-04-02T20:05:29","modified_gmt":"2025-04-02T20:05:29","slug":"johns-cop28-diary-fixing-climate-finance-the-abate-debate","status":"publish","type":"rbc_tl","link":"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/climate-action-institute\/johns-cop28-diary-fixing-climate-finance-the-abate-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"John\u2019s COP28 Diary: Fixing Climate Finance &amp; The Abate Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"title-text\" id=\"fixing-climate-finance\">Fixing Climate Finance<\/h2>\n<p>It was Finance Day at #COP28, and there was talk of money everywhere.<\/p>\n<p>You might expect that in Dubai, with its splashy display of wealth and ambition at every turn. But at the big UN climate conference that\u2019s underway here, there were plenty of questions about where that money is coming from and where it needs to go.<\/p>\n<p>Bottom line: we need to mobilize $100 trillion over the next 25 years, and even by Dubai that standards requires a stretch of imagination.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s start with the big bucks. The host of this year\u2019s climate mela, the United Arab Emirates, is among many nations looking to invest in this new age of emissions-free development. The Dubai COP (for Conference of the Parties that have signed the UN climate framework) has already raised $57 billion from member states, according to the organizers. In addition, the UAE has pledged $270 billion by 2030. The oil-rich host is also developing a proposal for a $50 billion climate investment fund, which it along with BlackRock and TPG would finance.<\/p>\n<p>Much of that money is needed in lower-income countries, where industry is not able to finance a transition to non-polluting energy systems, and large investors are showing what can be done through things like solar farm and hydrogen production.<\/p>\n<p>The smaller bucks are more challenging. That\u2019s the stuff of carbon markets that allow polluters to pay people and companies around the world for climate-smart actions like tree-planting or no-till farming to absorb some of the greenhouse gases they emit. Such markets are growing slowly but steadily, promising to eventually transfer billions of dollars and inspire waves of better emissions management.<\/p>\n<p>But over the past year, a spate of scandals \u2014 misreporting of tree-planting, for instance \u2014 has slowed their development.<\/p>\n<p>I sat with some of the world\u2019s largest investors on Finance Day, listening to their concerns about these growing pains for carbon markets. They\u2019re worried climate \u201cpurists\u201d will prevent this relatively new market from maturing. They need only look out the door to an official COP poster that reads, \u201clet\u2019s fix climate finance.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The debate continues whether that can happen fast enough, especially when the finance world is still talking billions when trillions may be needed.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"mar20tb\" \/>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"image-sm fl_r alignnone size-full wp-image-43384\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2025\/03\/Cop28.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"399\" height=\"299\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Also on Finance Day, Canada was on the global stage talking Indigenous equity. Chana Martineau (<em>right, below<\/em>), the CEO of Alberta Indigenous Opportunities Corporation, took the stage with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith (left) to explain how the province\u2019s $3 billion loan guarantee facility has helped Indigenous communities gain a share and say in economic development. In just four years, the AIOC has helped produce thousands of jobs, $27 million a year in new income for communities and a clear path for $1.5 billion in benefits over the next 30 years.<\/p>\n<p>Think what Canada could do with a national Indigenous loan guarantee, like the one promoted in the Fall Economic Statement. A great moment for reconcili-action.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"mar20tb\" \/>\n<h2 class=\"title-text\" id=\"beyond-fossil-fuels\">Beyond Fossil Fuels<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"image-sm fl_l alignnone size-full wp-image-43386\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2025\/03\/Cop28_03.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"624\" height=\"468\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s Energy Day at #COP28 in Dubai, and given the location for the big UN Climate Conference, you might think it means oil and gas. Think again.<\/p>\n<p>Fossil fuels are, of course, a focus of COP, but there\u2019s also emphasis on renewables and nuclear. This region is fast becoming a centre for solar and wind power. It\u2019s also one of the many growth regions for nuclear, which it wants to help champion.\u00a0COP28 has already won agreement by 50 countries to triple nuclear production by 2050; one of them, China, is building 22 nuclear plants (although it has 5,000 coal-fired electricity plans). And in Europe, Germany is close to 50% renewable.<\/p>\n<p>For many here, the focus of Energy Day was fixed was less on energy supply and more on energy security \u2014 at the national and household level. Countries on every continent continue to exhibit scar tissue from Russia\u2019s Ukraine invasion, which caused prices to spike. They\u00a0seem to\u00a0generally too adhere to the new American doctrine that energy security is national security.<\/p>\n<p>African leaders, in particular, spent the day voicing concerns about their own vulnerability to energy shortages and shocks.\u00a0Many of those countries are still reliant on biomass to heat and cook, and could use better access to natural gas before they transition fully to renewables.<\/p>\n<p>Into the gap come newer energy technologies like hydrogen and fusion, as well as abatement technologies like carbon capture and nuclear fusion.\u00a0John Kerry, the US special envoy on climate, said he\u2019s finally convinced fusion is no longer \u201c30 years away.\u201d And if that\u2019s the case, it has the potential to transform the way the world powers itself.<\/p>\n<p>Europe continues to push hydrogen, but the economics may not work.<\/p>\n<p>Kerry was frank in his assessment that energy demand will continue to rise with economic and\u00a0population growth: \u201cDemand needs to be addressed.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He urged the UN conference to set two priorities.\u00a0One is to ensure all production is abated; that is, producers capture emissions that leave a plant, refinery or well.\u00a0Second is to focus on methane reduction, where the sector is making enormous gains. More than 50 companies at this COP have signed the Global Methane Pledge.<\/p>\n<p>With one week to go at COP28, the Dubai leadership at COP wants to maintain that focus, believing the sector can engineer itself to a cleaner future. In the coming days, it will try to make the case that\u00a0in the long run, climate security will require energy security.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"mar20tb\" \/>\n<h2 class=\"title-text\" id=\"glass-steel-shrouded-by-climate-anxiety\">Glass &amp; Steel Shrouded By Climate Anxiety<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2025\/03\/Cop28_04.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"326\" height=\"435\" class=\"image-sm fl_l alignnone size-full wp-image-43383\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It was Buildings Day at COP28, and where better to discuss the climate impact of office towers and urban sprawl than Dubai.<\/p>\n<p>Like many cities in emerging markets, Dubai\u2019s shimmering skyline used to epitomize the human quest for progress and prosperity. Now, all that glass and steel is shrouded by climate anxiety.<\/p>\n<p>Construction contributes to 40% of global emissions, sending 38 billion of tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year, largely from the intense heat required to make steel and concrete. At recent growth rates, emissions could double in the next 25 years, as hundreds of millions of people move to cities. And the climate oil pact would be severe. Think of all the heat needed to make all the steel and glass.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2025\/03\/Cop28_05.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"624\" height=\"468\" class=\"image-sm fl_r alignnone size-full wp-image-43396\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I was part of one COP28 panel that included cement companies and engineers explaining what\u2019s possible and not. We agreed the building sector needs to find new ways to bundle climate friendly buildings, for investors and tenants, and disaggregate elements of them for investors who may want to own part of a building, like a solar-paneled rooftop, and others to stick to the main course.<\/p>\n<p>Governments can do more with procurement, too, instructing developers to ensure new schools, hospitals and public office spaces are as close to Net Zero ready as possible.<\/p>\n<p>The consulting firm McKisney &amp; Co. estimates 11% of all building\u2019s emissions could be cut with better management practices, and that don\u2019t add to the construction costs of a building. Those savings could grow to 22% by 2030, and 40% if some costs were absorbed.<\/p>\n<p>A city like Dubai could probably pay for that, using current oil and gas revenues. But it may need support to invest more.<\/p>\n<p>Further down the road, new approaches like offsite construction, electrified site equipment and recycled scrap steel could help. And there are new technologies like heat pumps that can dramatically change local energy systems.<\/p>\n<p>Dubai \u2014 and fast-growing cities like it \u2014 could be a good test case. The conference centre where the United Nations is gathering is more like a campus of low-rise and open buildings, each repurposed this week for climate. Such unobtrusive buildings could be a template for a new kind or urbanism \u2014 if rapidly developing countries are willing to forego skyscrapers.<\/p>\n<p>Diane Hoskins, a leading architect who is co-CEO of Gensler, told our COP gathering that architects and engineers need to be more flexible, as do local governments. And they need to ensure buildings not only fight climate change, but are resilient to its harsh impacts, including heat.<\/p>\n<p>The best efforts may emanate from successful business models, as the profit motive becomes an ever-more powerful driver of climate action.<\/p>\n<p>A good example can be found in Hong Kong, where MPD Energy has helped the construction industry get off fossil fuels by deploying portable batteries to power equipment. Just three years ago, 100% of construction in Hong Kong relied on fossil fuels. Today, it\u2019s 40%, thanks to batteries that can produce up to 500 kW of power and have already helped the industry cut its emissions by 40%.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"mar20tb\" \/>\n<h2 class=\"title-text\" id=\"the-abate-debate\">The Abate Debate<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2025\/03\/Cop28_06.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"491\" height=\"654\" class=\"image-sm fl_l alignnone size-full wp-image-43400\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Get used to the word \u201cunabated.\u201d It\u2019s a clunky term that\u2019s fast-taking centre stage at the United Nations climate conference in Dubai. The world\u2019s major economic powers and oil producers, including host country United Arab Emirates, want COP28 to call for the winding down of \u201cunabated\u201d fossil fuel production, meaning anything that doesn\u2019t capture greenhouse gas emissions at source.<\/p>\n<p>Opponents of the term fear it will give oil and gas producers\u00a0carte blanche\u00a0to produce as much as they want, as long as they\u2019re using carbon capture technologies. They fear such an enthusiasm for abatement overlooks the emissions caused by the combustion of fossil fuels when people drive their cars or heat their homes. And they worry there\u2019s not enough proof that abatement technologies work at the scale that will be needed.<\/p>\n<p>The abate debate will likely define COP28, which is living up to its nickname as the \u201cOil and Gas COP.\u201d Not surprisingly, given its location, the conference has attracted large delegations from oil producing countries, as well as executive teams from many of the world\u2019s biggest oil and gas companies.<\/p>\n<p>They\u2019re promoting a view that the world relies heavily on fossil fuels and won\u2019t reduce that dependency any time soon, no matter how fast the growth of renewable energy. One astonishing fact that a UAE oil executive shared today: at the time of the world\u2019s first climate summit, in 1992, roughly 82% of the world\u2019s energy came from oil, gas and coal; today, during COP28, that share is 80%. Surprisingly, more than a quarter of the world\u2019s energy still comes from coal.<\/p>\n<p>Such slow progress has many climate activists pushing for more radical solutions, to force wholesale change to renewable energy. But they\u2019re swimming against some strong currents of both supply and demand. The United States, which is now the world\u2019s largest oil producer, is on course to pump a record amount this year and may look to increase that again next year \u2014 an election year, no less &#8211; to keep gas prices low. That\u2019s fueling speculation that Saudi Arabia will ramp up its own production, to drive prices even lower and drive US producers out of business.<\/p>\n<p>The potential of another oil war drew an unlikely visitor, Vladimir Putin, to the UAE this week. The Russian leader didn\u2019t attend COP but he did meet with Emirati leaders, before heading to Saudi Arabia, to talk about oil production. The UAE is the world\u2019s eighth largest oil producer and is looking to increase supply by 40% this decade.<\/p>\n<p>Can all that production be abated? It\u2019s a question COP28 likely can\u2019t answer. But it will try to challenge the world with it.<\/p>\n<style class=\"advgb-styles-renderer\">h2.title-text{font-size: 2.8rem;font-weight: 400;line-height: 1.2;margin-top:0;}.mar20tb{margin: 20px 0 50px 0;}.image-sm{width:50%!important;}.fl_r{float:right;margin:0 0 30px 30px;}.fl_l{float:left;margin:0 30px 20px 0;}@media screen and (max-width: 576px){.image-sm{width:100%!important;}}@media only screen and (min-width: 768px){}@media only screen and (min-width: 820px){}@media only screen and (min-width: 992px){}@media only screen and (min-width: 1200px){}<\/style>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>You might expect that in Dubai, with its splashy display of wealth and ambition at every turn. 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