{"id":9007,"date":"2026-10-07T15:11:38","date_gmt":"2026-10-07T15:11:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/?p=9007"},"modified":"2026-10-07T18:21:55","modified_gmt":"2026-10-07T18:21:55","slug":"digital-refineries-data-centres-as-albertas-new-resource","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/ai-technology-and-innovation\/digital-refineries-data-centres-as-albertas-new-resource\/","title":{"rendered":"Digital Refineries: Data centres as Alberta&#8217;s new resource"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div\n\tid=\"tl-fpb-1\"\n\tstyle=\"background-image:url(https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2026\/10\/Disruptors-EP-5-Blog-Image_Banner-wide.png?quality=80&amp;w=4096);background-position:50% 50%;background-size:cover;min-height:500px\" class=\"tl-featured-post-banner wp-block-rbc-thought-leadership-blocks-featured-post-banner\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__gradient\" style=\"position:absolute;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;z-index:0;pointer-events:none;\"><\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\tclass=\"tl-pill tl-pill--banner\"\n\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/ai-technology-and-innovation\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\tAI, Technology and Innovation\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/ai-technology-and-innovation\/digital-refineries-data-centres-as-albertas-new-resource\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tDigital Refineries: Data centres as Alberta&#8217;s new resource\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__excerpt\">\n\t\t\t\tAlberta&#8217;s tech minister Nate Glubish on attracting AI data centres without subsidies, protecting the grid and turning natural gas into intelligence.\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-block  pos-rel\" style=\"border-radius:0px\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-inner-block  section-inner\" style=\"border-radius:0x\">\n<div style=\"width:100%;height:200px\" class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-iframe mar-b-hlf mob-mar-b-hlf\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.simplecast.com\/b7c4eb71-24ba-4776-8f1e-b81c8747175e?dark=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"100%\" style=\"border:none\" title=\"Iframe Embed\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"mar-t-hlf mob-mar-t-hlf wp-block-paragraph\">Listen on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/disruptors\/id1332711400?i=1000793624667\" target=\"_blank\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-1074eef3\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"link click\" data-dig-label=\"Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"rbc-link-format\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/23Bo24S60OSm9H8EUWPSRP?si=RdQroIX0RA2Mi1nalRO2iA&amp;utm_source=copy-link\" target=\"_blank\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-1074eef3\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"link click\" data-dig-label=\"Spotify\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"rbc-link-format\">Spotify<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/player.simplecast.com\/b7c4eb71-24ba-4776-8f1e-b81c8747175e?dark=false\" target=\"_blank\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-1074eef3\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"link click\" data-dig-label=\"Simplecast\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"rbc-link-format\">Simplecast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nate Glubish is Alberta&#8217;s Minister of Technology and Innovation and the MLA for Strathcona-Sherwood Park. He leads the province&#8217;s push to attract&nbsp;$100&nbsp;billion&nbsp;of AI data centre investment within five years, a target set in its AI Data Centres Strategy in December 2024. Speaking with John Stackhouse on stage at Energy Disruptors: UNITE in Calgary, he explains why Alberta treats data centres as &#8220;digital refineries&#8221;: natural gas becomes electricity, electricity becomes computing power, and the output can be sold anywhere in the world.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The conversation covers the rules behind the pitch. Alberta offers no subsidies or tax credits, and data centre builders pay the full cost of the power infrastructure they need. Projects must also be in the right place.&nbsp;Glubish&nbsp;contrasts Meta&#8217;s campus in Sturgeon County&#8217;s heavy-industrial zone, which is moving forward, with a proposal near Olds that the Alberta Utilities Commission denied in August 2026. He describes how the first 1,200 megawatts of grid power for data centres&nbsp;was&nbsp;set and why the next allocation, still being designed, would be interruptible and temporary.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For Canada, the stakes are about more than investment: where AI computing is built, who owns it, and whether Canadians rent critical infrastructure or own it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-block  pos-rel\" style=\"border-radius:0px\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-inner-block  section-inner\" style=\"border-radius:0x\">\n<h4 id=\"h-faqs\" class=\"wp-block-heading has-rbc-bright-blue-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1\">FAQs<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-accordion accordion\" id=\"&quot;accordionSet1\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-title4e2257d4\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordion4e2257d4\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-4e2257d4\" aria-controls=\"accordion4e2257d4\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"Who is Nate\u00a0Glubish?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong><strong>Who is Nate\u00a0Glubish?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordion4e2257d4\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-title4e2257d4\"><div class=\"collapse-inner\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nate Glubish is Alberta&#8217;s Minister of Technology and Innovation, a role he has held since 2022, and the MLA for Strathcona-Sherwood Park. He was first&nbsp;elected&nbsp;in 2019 and previously served as Minister of Service Alberta, where he developed the Alberta Broadband Strategy. Before&nbsp;politics&nbsp;he spent most of a 15-year career as a venture capital investor in Alberta technology companies.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-title8dcb720a\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordion8dcb720a\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-8dcb720a\" aria-controls=\"accordion8dcb720a\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"What is Alberta&apos;s Ministry of Technology and Innovation?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong><strong><strong>What is Alberta&#8217;s Ministry of Technology and Innovation?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordion8dcb720a\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-title8dcb720a\"><div class=\"collapse-inner\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It is the Government of Alberta ministry created in October 2022 to lead the modernization of government services and to attract investment in the province&#8217;s technology sector. Under Minister Nate Glubish, it leads Alberta&#8217;s AI Data Centres Strategy, launched in December 2024, which aims to attract&nbsp;$100&nbsp;billion&nbsp;of data centre investment.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-titlea064d45e\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordiona064d45e\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-a064d45e\" aria-controls=\"accordiona064d45e\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"What is the main issue discussed in this episode?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong><strong><strong>What is the main issue discussed in this episode?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordiona064d45e\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-titlea064d45e\"><div class=\"collapse-inner\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How Alberta plans to attract large-scale AI data centre investment while avoiding the problems other&nbsp;jurisdictions&nbsp;have faced. These include subsidies, strain on the power grid, rising electricity prices, and projects built too close to homes.&nbsp;Glubish&nbsp;describes the province&#8217;s approach: no&nbsp;subsidies,&nbsp;builders pay for their own power infrastructure, and strict rules on location and grid access.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-title94e9f58a\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordion94e9f58a\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-94e9f58a\" aria-controls=\"accordion94e9f58a\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"Why does this matter for Canada?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong><strong>Why does this matter for Canada?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordion94e9f58a\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-title94e9f58a\"><div class=\"collapse-inner\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">AI computing is becoming&nbsp;critical&nbsp;infrastructure. Glubish argues that if Canada does not build its own capacity, it risks becoming a permanent renter of that infrastructure from other countries. Alberta&#8217;s natural gas and grid could position the country to host computing for domestic use and for allies, such as European governments facing energy shortages.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-titleb87152ad\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordionb87152ad\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-b87152ad\" aria-controls=\"accordionb87152ad\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"What is changing in the data centre industry?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong><strong>What is changing in the data centre industry?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordionb87152ad\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-titleb87152ad\"><div class=\"collapse-inner\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Demand for power is the constraint. Alberta&#8217;s first allocation of 1,200 megawatts of grid power for data centres is fully&nbsp;allocated, while requests from proposed projects far exceed what the grid can supply.&nbsp;Glubish&nbsp;says a second round would be interruptible and temporary, giving projects a start while they build their own generation.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-title06d07fb7\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordion06d07fb7\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-06d07fb7\" aria-controls=\"accordion06d07fb7\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"What can business and policy leaders learn from this?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong><strong>What can business and policy leaders learn from this?<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordion06d07fb7\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-title06d07fb7\"><div class=\"collapse-inner\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Clear, predictable rules can attract investment without subsidies. Alberta&#8217;s approach makes data centre builders carry the costs and risks of their power needs, protecting ratepayers, and uses location and zoning to separate projects that should proceed from those that should not, as the contrast between Meta&#8217;s Sturgeon County campus and the Olds proposal shows.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-block  pos-rel\" style=\"border-radius:0px\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-inner-block  section-inner\" style=\"border-radius:0x\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-default-collapsible\"><p><button class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#collapse6a8d17d6\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"collapse6a8d17d6\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-9007-undefined\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"accordion closed\" action-closed=\"accordion closed\" action-opened=\"accordion open\" data-dig-label=\"Transcript\"><div>Transcript<\/div><\/button><\/p><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"collapse6a8d17d6\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-collapsible-inner-block collapse-inner\">\n<h3 id=\"h-digital-refineries-data-centres-as-alberta-s-new-resource\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Digital Refineries: Data centres as Alberta&#8217;s new resource<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Introduction<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[0:00] John Stackhouse<\/strong>\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;m John Stackhouse, and you are listening to a live recording of RBC Disruptors with Nate Glubish, Alberta&#8217;s Minister of Technology and Innovation. We&#8217;re on the main stage at Energy Disruptors UNITE conference in Calgary on Tuesday, September 29th. And I mark that because the topic we&#8217;re going to engage in today, data centers, seems to move by the day, certainly by the week. Minister Glubish has been in this important role since 2022, is really at the forefront of data center policy on behalf of Alberta, which has seen quite widely as a leader in policy. So we&#8217;ll hear a lot more about that. Minister, welcome to Disruptors.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[0:40] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thanks for having me. John. Happy to be here.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The Mood Shift\u00a0 (0:42)<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[0:42] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It feels like there&#8217;s been a bit of a mood shift out there on data centers. We&#8217;re in Calgary, so I&#8217;m tempted to call it a bit of a political Chinook over the&nbsp; summer. You&#8217;ve been out over the summer in communities across Alberta listening to concerns, hearing from people. What should we all understand from the voices that you&#8217;ve been able to listen to over the summer, when it comes to data centers?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[1:07] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of the things that doesn&#8217;t surprise me is that folks have questions and they have some concerns. And these concerns are rooted in very real world examples where projects were done irresponsibly. And so what I take away from that is that folks want to make sure that if this infrastructure is going to be built in Alberta, it has to be done the right way. And the Alberta government completely agrees. You know, we spent the last three years studying this industry. We knew a wave of infrastructure investment was coming. We knew that this was going to be the critical infrastructure of the economy, of the future. And we knew that Alberta had a lot of the building blocks that the industry was going to be looking for and would rely upon for a lot of their investment plans for the future. But we also knew that there was some cautionary tales of other places in the United States and abroad where some suboptimal decisions were made, and they didn&#8217;t stand up for what was best for their citizens.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[2:03] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They just rushed to attract the investment. We&#8217;ve taken a different approach. We didn&#8217;t want to be first. We wanted to be the smartest. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[2:10] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So we&#8217;ll get into what responsible development does look like. But you&#8217;re very clear that you would take time, three years, as you said, to understand that, and you would study the mistakes or missteps of others. Can you give us a sense of some of the missteps that you were able to see with the power of hindsight?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[2:28] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yeah, sure. Well, I mean, one I think is just that there were a lot of jurisdictions that did subsidize this infrastructure. And I can tell you you don&#8217;t need to. The fact is, that&#8217;s not what these companies need. If you&#8217;re going to offer them millions of dollars, they&#8217;ll take it. I mean, who wouldn&#8217;t? But they don&#8217;t need it. And Alberta&#8217;s proven that because Alberta has made it very clear we will not subsidize. We will not give tax credits. We will not give government incentives. What we will instead do is give policy environment that is clear. It&#8217;s fair, it&#8217;s competitive. And you can it&#8217;s predictable. So you know what the rules are. And you know that if you follow the rules, you know what to expect as an outcome. I mean, we all know data centers require a lot of electrical power generation, and some jurisdictions didn&#8217;t do the engineering ahead of time to say, how big is that demand?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[3:15] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How are they going to access this power? And they just let them plug into the grid. And all of a sudden now you had this massive load without any corresponding power generation capacity coming online to support it. And that caused reliability and resiliency issues in their grids and in some cases also caused power prices to spike. Those are all objectively bad things. And we have taken the time in Alberta to carefully craft our rules around more of a bring your own power approach and a cost causation approach, which essentially we&#8217;ve enshrined it in legislation to say, if you&#8217;re going to build data center infrastructure in Alberta, you pay 100% of the costs of anything to do with the power generation. So many, many folks in the audience might be familiar with the largest data center project that&#8217;s moving forward in Alberta, and that&#8217;s the Meta site up in Sturgeon County in the Alberta industrial heartland.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[4:06] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They&#8217;re paying 100% of the cost for their grid connection. It&#8217;s over $100 million.\u00a0For any other industry oil and gas, petrochemical, agricultural, forestry, whatever it is, they would not pay that $100 million they would get. They would go through the process to get approved by the grid operator, and they would connect. And all grid participants, Albertans and Alberta businesses alike, would share in the cost of that incremental infrastructure. We&#8217;ve made it clear for data centers and only for data centers, they&#8217;re the only ones being treated\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Value-Added Economics\u00a0 (4:41)<\/strong>\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[4:41] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">this way. But&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[4:41] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The&nbsp;companies that are promoting data centers are worth hundreds of billions, even trillions of of dollars. And a big part of that valuation is what they&#8217;re able to do with data centers. So I think the public has seen this and said, okay, the yardstick, the economic yardstick has shifted. You&#8217;ve articulated that they need to be not subsidized. But I&#8217;m curious how your own thinking is evolving in terms of the economics of data centers. And will they continue to carry the economic value? And as you look to attract more of them to Alberta, kind of economic value do you foresee them generating for Alberta?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[5:22] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think how I&#8217;d like to work my way to answering that is to talk about this concept of value-added economics. Folks have been asking me and my colleagues for years, why doesn&#8217;t Alberta build more refineries, for example, why are we so focused only on shipping our oil and gas to global markets? What&nbsp;excites me about data centers is they are essentially digital refineries, because we&#8217;re taking the gas that we have in abundance, we&#8217;re converting it and adding value to it&nbsp;by creating electricity.&nbsp;We&#8217;re converting that electricity and adding value to it and creating intelligence. And we can export that anywhere in the world at the speed of light through fiber. And so why this is so meaningful is I was looking at some of the research done by Peter Tertzakian from Arc Energy. He&nbsp;did some study to look at.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[6:09] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you look at all of the traditional value-added infrastructure for traditional energy. So refineries, petrochemical, textiles, etc., the value-add multiplier was anywhere from like five x to on the highest end, about 20 x. So the most valuable addition of traditional infrastructure is you could take the gas molecules hydrocarbon molecule and add 20 times the value to it. That&#8217;s a great value proposition. With data centers the value multiplier is over 1000 x. So you can take $2 a gas and turn it into $2,000 of tokens. Now that&#8217;s an exciting value proposition. I want to make sure that Albertans can see as much benefit from that as possible. But the only way we can do that is if the physical infrastructure that is doing that digital refining is here.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[6:57] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Walk us through where the value is for local as well as the province. I get it for the owners of the data. If I&#8217;m shipping data into a data center, say in this jurisdiction, and crunching it, I&#8217;m going to derive the economic value from that. Maybe here, maybe somewhere else. How does Alberta actually capture that value from the knowledge creation that you&#8217;re describing?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[7:21] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The&nbsp;home run is making sure we have domestic companies also building this capacity so that it&#8217;s not just American hyperscalers. I mean, we welcome that infrastructure investment. Albertans will still benefit from that. But the home run is if we have Alberta and Canadian based companies who are building this infrastructure too, to to serve domestic and global demand. And that&#8217;s how we can make sure that we&#8217;re capturing that full uplift. But even for those projects like the Meta site,&nbsp;the value economics are still extraordinary. I mean, when you look at just the revenue from taxes, fees, levies, natural gas, resource royalties, etc., that will come from that single project alone to the benefit of&nbsp;Albertans&nbsp;is about $250 million a year forever.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[8:10] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We didn&#8217;t have to spend a dollar to attract that investment. So this is this is this is enormous. If you can imagine, if you start to get 2 or 3 of these, all of a sudden you&#8217;re getting into the billion dollar range. Where else can you go and find and unlock $1 billion of new revenues to help fund health care, education, roads, public safety services, the things that Albertans rely upon.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The Alberta Model\u00a0 (8:32)<\/strong>\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[8:32] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Let&#8217;s talk a bit about what some people call the Alberta model. I was in conversation with the head of policy for one of the hyperscalers, and asked him what jurisdiction in the world had it right when it came to policy, and he said, Alberta without without question. Curious how you would describe the Alberta model from a policy point of view.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[8:55] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Well, I think first and foremost, we&#8217;ve been very clear. You pay your own way if you come to Alberta. Make no mistake, there&#8217;s there&#8217;s no better place than Alberta. We have the energy, we have the talent. We have the ability to execute. We have the ability. We have a long track record of building big industrial things. We&#8217;re really good at that. But we have high expectations. If you&#8217;re going to be someone who&#8217;s going to build this infrastructure in Alberta, you have to do it Alberta&#8217;s way. When it comes to water, you need to use the best available technology, like Meta&nbsp;is, using closed loop liquid cooling systems that you fill at once, and they operate for 100 plus years. They don&#8217;t actually consume water.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[9:36] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So that&#8217;s a condition of building a data center in Alberta. You&#8217;ve got to fill the tank once and.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[9:43] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Today it&#8217;s not a legislated statutory requirement. Today, what we&#8217;re finding is that nobody is building modern data center infrastructure without that, because their facilities can&#8217;t survive without that technology. But we are giving serious thought to making that a legislated requirement. And I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you see something later this fall in our legislative session on that fact.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[10:07] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Can you share a bit more of your thinking and&nbsp;the government&#8217;s thinking on setbacks? A lot of the data centers in Alberta are and will be powered presumably by gas turbines. Those are tend to be loud, especially for major operations. So understandably, communities want a bit of distance to the to the generator. Sometimes that&#8217;s a little more complex calculation in rural areas where there may be a homestead that&#8217;s closer, but it&#8217;s one homestead and there&#8217;s no equal distance between homesteads and, say, the data center. So complex, fair concerns but complex calculations. How are you thinking through that?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[10:47] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">These are the right questions to be asking. And I hear a lot about this from folks that I&#8217;ve talked to at the town halls and from folks across the province. And really what it comes down to is just like anything in business location, location, location. We have&nbsp;two case studies right now that demonstrate that the rules we already have are leading to responsible development. Meta I keep coming back to because it&#8217;s the largest project that&#8217;s moving forward today. It&#8217;s in the Alberta industrial heartland. This is thousands of acres of heavy industrial zone land. It&#8217;s been zoned for this. It&#8217;s a designated industrial zone, and it&#8217;s been designated this way for decades. That land that they&#8217;re on was originally going to be multiple traditional refineries.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[11:34] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Those never moved forward because the private sector investment never materialized. Now you have a digital refinery instead. So that was an example of a company that came in and said, we&#8217;re going to pay our own way. We&#8217;re going to follow all of Alberta&#8217;s rules. We will do it to Alberta&#8217;s standard, and we&#8217;ll do it in the right location. On the flip side, we had a proposal near Olds that was in some light industrial zoning, literally right across the street from a residential subdivision with hundreds of homes, like we&#8217;re talking a few hundred meters away. And they wanted to build 1000 megawatt facility with a gigawatt scale power generation site right next to it. Well, logically, that raises some concerns. Do I want to be living right next door to a power plant like that?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[12:22] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think most of us would probably say no. The good news is the Alberta Utilities Commission looked at the project and they concluded it was not in the public interest. It didn&#8217;t make sense. And so the application was denied. That project is dead. It&#8217;s not going to happen. Meta &#8211;&nbsp;right&nbsp;project, right&nbsp;location, done the right way. Olds \u2013 wrong&nbsp;project, wrong location, down the wrong way. The rules that we have are working now. That said, is there room for some refinement of our policies to include some more clarity around what setbacks might make the most sense so that both residential residences residents in Alberta could say, I can have confidence knowing that something like this will never happen within this buffer zone.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[13:08] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s too early to say exactly what that&#8217;s going to look like, but I would say stay tuned. We&#8217;ll have more to say on that. I think that there is a place for something along those lines that will make it clear to residents that we are looking out for their interest first, but also demonstrate that Alberta is still open for business. Just let&#8217;s do it the right way and the right spots, and if we can provide more clarity and certainty right at the start for our industrial friends to say, if you want to build here, here&#8217;s the best places and here are some places that are off limits. Don&#8217;t waste your time spinning your wheels on something that doesn&#8217;t make sense. I think that could be a win for everybody.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[13:46] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Clarity&nbsp;and&nbsp;certainty&nbsp;are&nbsp; words you keep turning back to and I think it&#8217;s worth stressing. This is hardly confined to data centers. I had the opportunity to visit a direct air capture facility the other day here in southern Alberta. These are large, giant fans, and when they&#8217;re all going, wow, it it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a force. The requirement for them, as was described to me, is this sound from the machines cannot be louder than 60dB, which is the loudness of a highway at the closest front door to the site. So it&#8217;s kind of like a.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[14:26] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s a little better than that. So the noise regulations that apply to power plants today are 50dB during the day, which if we all just stop talking, this is at least 50 to 55dB in this room right now. And then at night it&#8217;s 40dB is the rule. So that&#8217;s I mean, that&#8217;s really quiet. And what what we&#8217;re looking at is saying, like we need to have similar noise rules for data centers, not just for the power generation that&#8217;s co-located with them. And I know it&#8217;s possible, like I&#8217;ve toured enough of these data centers and yeah, when you go inside there, noisy, but you go in the parking lot, it&#8217;s quieter than this room is right now with the fans for this smoke, and that makes the lights look cool.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[15:12] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And that&#8217;s because they&#8217;ve engineered it with the best available technology to attenuate the noise and contain the noise on the inside. So I think our message to industry is we want you to use best available technology. We want you to do things the best way. Albertans demand&nbsp;the best. If not out here to just go and defend big Tech. We&#8217;re out here to do what&#8217;s best for you, for Albertans. But responsible development of this infrastructure will set up Albertans for success in the economy of the future. If we don&#8217;t do this now, we will become permanent renters of the critical infrastructure of the next 20 or 30 years, and we will be paying a premium rate to the Americans and to other jurisdictions. And make no mistake, they&#8217;ve proven to us that they can turn that technology off in a heartbeat if there&#8217;s something they&#8217;re not happy&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Export the Intelligence&nbsp; (16:04)<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[16:04] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">with.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[16:04] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And this is not just a value to Albertans and Canadians. A lot of countries around the world are looking for places to store and compute data in jurisdictions they can trust that have a stable, transparent rule of law. And Canada and Alberta certainly compete well on that score.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[16:23] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yeah, I think this is an opportunity for Alberta and for Canada is that many jurisdictions like Europe, the UK, for example, they have the same needs that we have of needing compute for their government workloads, for their private sector workloads, for their academic research workloads. But they don&#8217;t have access to scalable energy. They&#8217;re in an energy crisis. They simply can&#8217;t get the energy. And so I&#8217;ve been pitching this to some of my counterparts in European countries. I just met with a couple of the German ministers, both at the Viva Tech conference in France, as well as at the All In conference in Montreal recently here just a couple of weeks ago, and I was pitching them. I said, you said you want to increase your compute capacity by three gigawatts, show me where the energy is going to come from and they don&#8217;t have an answer.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[17:14] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I said, you know what, you could build that infrastructure in Alberta and we could work with you to scale the power generation here. And then you could have sovereign compute workloads to serve your citizens and to serve your businesses, and make sure that German law applies to those workloads. We can be partners. We want the same thing. We want the EU to be strong and secure and to meet the challenges of the modern global economy. We want Canada to be strong and energy is at the root of all of it. Alberta has that energy. We are a friendly trading partner. Let&#8217;s export the compute, the intelligence, instead of the hydrocarbon itself.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The Power Queue\u00a0 (17:54)<\/strong>\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[17:55] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Energy allocation is a little more challenging as you think about sort of the next gigawatt or more of allocations in the province. How are you thinking about approaching the allocations?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[18:09] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yeah. Well, first I want to talk about how we dealt with the first allocation, because some folks have this misconception that any data center can come here and plug into our grid. That&#8217;s not true. We have very strict rules. And so what we did, the first thing we did is we said if, okay, we understand what large load data center power load requirements look like and they&#8217;re a challenge to navigate from an engineering perspective, given what we know about that first question, how much spare excess power generation capacity do we have in Alberta&#8217;s grid today? And at that time, we had thousands of megawatts of spare capacity that was not being used. And we all pay for that infrastructure through our rates and through our transmission and distribution charges.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[18:55] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So then we asked, okay, well, we don&#8217;t want to give all of that to data centers because then we have no buffer. How much of that could we safely commit to large&nbsp;load&nbsp;demand from data centers. And so the great operator did all the engineering and all the analysis, and they concluded we could do 1200MW. So that that was the first batch. There&#8217;s no there&#8217;s no more grid power being offered to data centers today. But while we are working on is to say when that next allocation does occur, what does that have to look like? Anybody&nbsp;that will qualify under a phase two allocation, it will be intermittent, which means if there ever becomes a grid event where there&#8217;s scarcity, let&#8217;s say a power plant in the grid comes offline. Let&#8217;s say the wind stops blowing, the sun stop shining, and we -40, right? If&nbsp;we have a catastrophic event, who gets turned off first?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[19:42] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The people who got that allocation, the data centers.&nbsp;Second, it will be temporary. You don&#8217;t get to have this forever. You get to have it for a prescribed period of time. Because again, our bring your own generation policy is is the goal here. So if someone says, I want to build 1000 megawatt facility, can I get 100MW to start? The answer is maybe if you accept intermittency, which means you take all the risk if the grid if the grid needs to scale back for a minute or an hour or a day, you&#8217;re the one being curtailed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[20:15] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I thought data centers couldn&#8217;t deal with that. How are they? What&#8217;s the feedback you&#8217;re getting?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[20:20] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The feedback is, okay, look, if that&#8217;s what it takes to get 100MW of grid power so that then I have the time to build the next 900 or 1000MW of my own power generation. I&#8217;ll do it, and I will ensure that I have enough backup generation on site in order to handle that minute or hour or day. It will cost me more money, but I&#8217;ll do it because what they&#8217;re finding is there&#8217;s no jurisdiction in North America that can offer them a path to 1000MW, even if they build their own generation, because the problem is it&#8217;ll take them 2 or 3 years to build their own generation, but they need at least 100MW to get started today. So imagine if we had, for argument&#8217;s sake, 500MW or 1000MW that we could offer that way. And that was the catalyst that led to 5000MW, or 10,000MW of private sector investment for new generation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[21:13] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That cost us nothing. And we had all the risk protection because all the risk of the grid was on the proponents, not on Albertans, not on ratepayers. That&#8217;s a good thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The Trillion-Dollar Bet\u00a0 (21:26)<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[21:26] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How big is the data center opportunity for Alberta? When you look out five, ten years.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[21:31] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&nbsp;said, the ambition when we really start data center strategy three years ago of $100 billion in five years.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[21:38] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">100.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[21:39] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Billion, 100 billion, I think I would be shocked if we don&#8217;t pass that within the next 12 months. I think the opportunities in the hundreds of billions within the next decade, easily $1 trillion of investment in Alberta. And that&#8217;s just in the data centers,&nbsp;initially.&nbsp;The spin off benefits of the supply chain that will continue to expand across Alberta, and then the benefits of the new technology companies that will choose to be located in Alberta and will build the next generation of AI powered technologies that will want to be located where they can access reliable compute that is domestic, that is sovereign, that is digitally sovereign, so that it&#8217;s subject to Alberta and Canadian laws and nobody else&#8217;s laws.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[22:27] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So that protects their intellectual property. That&#8217;s in the orders of magnitude of hundreds of billions as well.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[22:32] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">$1 trillion opportunity and ambition for Alberta. lot of noise out there globally and across North America on data centers. You live in the public square. Do you sense that it is shifting more positively, or is it still hostile or somewhere in between? And what will shift it?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[22:51] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&nbsp;think there&#8217;s a portion of folks who will never be persuaded, and that&#8217;s okay. But the majority of folks are open-minded. They might have some reservations, but they just want to learn the facts. The fact is that Alberta&#8217;s standards are the highest in North America, and my goal is just to get out there and demonstrate that and prove that with the facts. And I&#8217;m confident that if we show what responsible development looks like, and we didn&#8217;t even have time to get into what responsible use of AI looks like. I think we also need to demonstrate that too. That&#8217;s a conversation for another day. But once we can show folks what responsibly used, responsible use of AI can do to make their lives better, to strengthen our health care system, to help deliver better, faster, smarter services through the government, to help private sector companies reach their fullest potential. Once they see that and once they see that, yes, we are doing development in a responsible way and they see the economic benefits that comes from that development.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[23:45] Nate Glubish<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;m confident that Albertans will get on board. And so&nbsp;my goal is to get out there,&nbsp;hear the concerns, provide them with the facts, and demonstrate to them through our leadership that we are intent on having the highest standards in North America.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>[23:57] John Stackhouse<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So AI for all, but also AI for good. Thank you. Minister, for being on stage at Energy Disruptors and for being on our podcast at RBC Disruptors. Thank you all for listening. 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