{"id":8715,"date":"2026-09-23T14:19:06","date_gmt":"2026-09-23T14:19:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/?p=8715"},"modified":"2026-09-23T14:46:55","modified_gmt":"2026-09-23T14:46:55","slug":"two-middle-powers-one-ai-bet-canada-and-germanys-tech-alliance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/ai-technology-and-innovation\/two-middle-powers-one-ai-bet-canada-and-germanys-tech-alliance\/","title":{"rendered":"Two Middle Powers, One AI Bet: Canada and Germany&#8217;s Tech Alliance"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div\n\tid=\"tl-fpb-1\"\n\tstyle=\"background-image:url(https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2026\/09\/Disruptors-S11-EP-3-WEB-BANNER_Banner-wide.jpg?quality=80&amp;w=4096);background-position:50% 50%;background-size:cover;min-height:500px\" class=\"tl-featured-post-banner wp-block-rbc-thought-leadership-blocks-featured-post-banner\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__gradient\" style=\"position:absolute;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;z-index:0;pointer-events:none;\"><\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\tclass=\"tl-pill tl-pill--banner\"\n\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/ai-technology-and-innovation\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\tAI, Technology and Innovation\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rbc.com\/en\/thought-leadership\/ai-technology-and-innovation\/two-middle-powers-one-ai-bet-canada-and-germanys-tech-alliance\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tTwo Middle Powers, One AI Bet: Canada and Germany&#8217;s Tech Alliance\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"tl-featured-post-banner__excerpt\">\n\t\t\t\tThis episode of Disruptors is recorded live at ALL IN 2026 in Montreal\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-block  pos-rel\" style=\"border-radius:0px\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-section-inner-block  section-inner\" style=\"border-radius:0x\">\n<div style=\"width:100%;height:200px\" class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-iframe mar-b-hlf mob-mar-b-hlf\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.simplecast.com\/8a7b04a0-5cdf-4fc3-8adb-8a18325843a1?dark=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"100%\" style=\"border:none\" title=\"Iframe Embed\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"mar-t-hlf mob-mar-t-hlf wp-block-paragraph\">Listen on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/disruptors\/id1332711400?i=1000791251785\" target=\"_blank\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-8715-c6e1b637\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"link click\" data-dig-label=\"Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"rbc-link-format\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/2k2ceIK5QVlHH35tKA6fsn?si=RBTPLe7pRWuyD4MiT_zO4w&amp;utm_source=copy-link\" target=\"_blank\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-8715-c6e1b637\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"link click\" data-dig-label=\"Spotify\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"rbc-link-format\">Spotify<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/player.simplecast.com\/8a7b04a0-5cdf-4fc3-8adb-8a18325843a1?dark=false\" target=\"_blank\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-8715-c6e1b637\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"link click\" data-dig-label=\"Simplecast\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"rbc-link-format\">Simplecast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Germany arrived at ALL IN 2026 in Montreal as the conference&#8217;s Country of Honour, sending its largest-ever delegation of business leaders to Canada&#8217;s biggest AI gathering. The visit came in the same week Canada and Germany&#8217;s governments backed LawZero, the Montreal AI safety lab founded by Yoshua Bengio \u2014 one of several concrete deals now anchoring a fast-growing Canada-Germany tech relationship, alongside the Cohere-Aleph Alpha merger and last year&#8217;s Canada-Germany Digital Alliance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On this episode of Disruptors, hosts John Stackhouse and Nora Bieberstein \u2014 recording live from the show floor \u2014 sit down with three people at the center of that relationship. Yvonne Denz, President &amp; CEO of the Canadian German Chamber of Industry and Commerce, explains what&#8217;s changed in the decade she&#8217;s spent encouraging German companies to do business in Canada, and what a looming manufacturing workforce gap means for both countries. 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The Chamber represents roughly 300 German member companies doing business in Canada.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-title9ccde0da\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordion9ccde0da\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-8715-9ccde0da\" aria-controls=\"accordion9ccde0da\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"Who is Robert Jozic?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong>Who is Robert Jozic?<\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordion9ccde0da\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-title9ccde0da\"><div class=\"collapse-inner\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Robert Jozic is EVP of Digital Strategy &amp; Ecosystems at Schwarz Digits and Managing Director of Schwarz Media, part of the Schwarz Group \u2014 the parent company of Lidl and Kaufland, and one of Europe&#8217;s largest retailers.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-rbc-rbc-collapsible-panel\"><div class=\"accordion-panel\"><button id=\"accordion-title0e3f2102\" class=\"collapse-toggle collapsed\" data-target=\"#accordion0e3f2102\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordionSet1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-dig-id=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation-8715-0e3f2102\" aria-controls=\"accordion0e3f2102\" data-dig-category=\"LP-AI,TechnologyandInnovation\" data-dig-action=\"collapsible closed\" data-dig-label=\"Who is Dr. Ralf Wintergerst?\" action-closed=\"collapsible closed\" action-opened=\"collapsible open\"><div><strong><strong>Who is Dr. Ralf Wintergerst?<\/strong><\/strong><\/div><\/button><div class=\"collapse-content collapse\" id=\"accordion0e3f2102\" role=\"region\" 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